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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 1:31:43 GMT
I love DAO - Natia in the Nature of the Beast: Into the ruins: Freeing a trapped soul and receiving images: What is this? Ah it helpfully says glass phylactery: Meeting the lovely Lady of the Forest
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Post by Iakus on Nov 20, 2018 14:01:15 GMT
Dwarf commoner is the only origin I haven't played. I should do that sometime.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 0:39:26 GMT
Dwarf commoner is the only origin I haven't played. I should do that sometime. The dwarf noble more tragic in that they are betrayed by their brother. But something about the Dwarf common is sad yet she seems so much stronger and not defeated in the way the noble is. She had to know what would happen if they found it was her yet she went through with it. Or could be the way I play the dwarf commoner. Always surprised how short the dwarf origins are compared to the human and city elf origins.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 3, 2019 2:27:15 GMT
My current PT has Loghain as the Warden I meet. Never liked that guy so there will be no problems with me sacrificing him/
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Post by novatrex on Jan 4, 2019 11:53:52 GMT
dmc1001, I think setting up Loghain to sleep with Morrigan at the end of DAO is a pretty good punishment for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 4:38:22 GMT
My current PT has Loghain as the Warden I meet. Never liked that guy so there will be no problems with me sacrificing him/ In DAI? Does he go well or try to argue against it? Loghain is a good character but he betrayed his king. First time playing the Landsmeet, his speech scared the pants off me, psyched myself out and lost
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 6, 2019 22:10:44 GMT
My current PT has Loghain as the Warden I meet. Never liked that guy so there will be no problems with me sacrificing him/ In DAI? Does he go well or try to argue against it? Loghain is a good character but he betrayed his king. First time playing the Landsmeet, his speech scared the pants off me, psyched myself out and lost He's not much different in DAI than Stroud. I think Alistair might also be an option depending on your DAO choices (or how you tweaked things in the Tapestry).
I don't like Loghain. I could have made him a Warden and had him sacrifice himself to kill the Archdemon. I think I have his background as having sired Morrigan's child (can't remember of god child or not).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 23:21:48 GMT
He's not much different in DAI than Stroud. I think Alistair might also be an option depending on your DAO choices (or how you tweaked things in the Tapestry).
I don't like Loghain. I could have made him a Warden and had him sacrifice himself to kill the Archdemon. I think I have his background as having sired Morrigan's child (can't remember of god child or not).
That's disappointing. Wasn't a fan of leaving anyone behind in the fade, saw no reason for it. From the letter retrieved at Ostagar was thinking it could be Loghain knew about Calians talks with Celine and didn't get the impression Loghain thought Cailian was too swift. Maybe he thought it justified to leave the battle. Better the Kingdom in his daughter's hand. My wardens usually execute him though.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 13, 2019 2:03:54 GMT
He's not much different in DAI than Stroud. I think Alistair might also be an option depending on your DAO choices (or how you tweaked things in the Tapestry).
I don't like Loghain. I could have made him a Warden and had him sacrifice himself to kill the Archdemon. I think I have his background as having sired Morrigan's child (can't remember of god child or not).
That's disappointing. Wasn't a fan of leaving anyone behind in the fade, saw no reason for it. From the letter retrieved at Ostagar was thinking it could be Loghain knew about Calians talks with Celine and didn't get the impression Loghain thought Cailian was too swift. Maybe he thought it justified to leave the battle. Better the Kingdom in his daughter's hand. My wardens usually execute him though. I'm not convinced whoever is left behind in the Fade survives. I always assumed that person sacrificed himself/herself to save the others and is doomed. How long can a single person stand against those demons?
That I dislike Loghain is reason enough to be comfortable letting him be the person sacrificed. Like you, however, he doesn't usually survive until the end of DAO.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 13:18:41 GMT
I'm not convinced whoever is left behind in the Fade survives. I always assumed that person sacrificed himself/herself to save the others and is doomed. How long can a single person stand against those demons? That I dislike Loghain is reason enough to be comfortable letting him be the person sacrificed. Like you, however, he doesn't usually survive until the end of DAO.
Yeah don't see how they would survive either. We see one giant spider but guessing others will come. Still don't get how the Warden could beat the broodmother, golems, archdemon and Hawke the rockwraith, Qunari and Corypheus and yet the team couldn't fight the spider and survive. Alistair always dies, poor guy. Warden always duels Loghain alone, its a fun quick duel. The circling in the beginning then Loghain's war cry is a nice affect. Most satisfying duel with a human noble. My wardens do the execution- for Couslands, for the Wardens, for the elf slavery. Poor Anora, though she took it well. Mostly make her Queen of Ferelden.
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Post by novatrex on Jan 19, 2019 5:58:31 GMT
@dustyelf, dmc1001, I didn't care for Alistair in DAO all that much. I think it's because he sounded too contemporary. They all sounded like that I suppose, but he stuck out for some reason. It seemed like I was interacting with some guy in college that I was roommates with or some such.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 14:34:17 GMT
@dustyelf , dmc1001 , I didn't care for Alistair in DAO all that much. I think it's because he sounded too contemporary. They all sounded like that I suppose, but he stuck out for some reason. It seemed like I was interacting with some guy in college that I was roommates with or some such. I think Alistair is suppose to hit that high school stereotype, insecure, not sure of himself or his position yet part of the in crowd or team. He seems happy to let the Warden lead. And wavers in decisions that show he is not fit to lead yet. For instance regarding Conner he advocates killing him yet yells at the Warden for doing so. He is a bit immature yet. I never saw a good arc with him becoming comfortable with who he is and seemed only with the Warden's backing he becomes a good king. But he is also adorable and well giving the Warden a rose in the middle of a battle was all I could but smile at his silliness and awkwardness. I do know you can time it so he gives the Warden the rose during camp but my first play through I didn't know that. I think it's his awkwardness, insecurity, boyishness, and his love for Wynne that makes him endearing.
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Post by novatrex on Jan 19, 2019 22:49:10 GMT
@dustyelf
DAO is medieval fantasy more or less, right? The writers create a character that fits a high school (contemporary) stereotype in that setting? It's not so much that I don't care for Alistair the character as it is that it doesn't fit in to me. But like I alluded to before, several of them in the game may be like this with him being the more obvious example. It's been a while since I played it.
I suppose it's the design where I think they could have done a better job with Alistair and in general of portraying the characters more appropriately authentic to the setting, pulling it off more convincingly to the player trying to immerse oneself. So perhaps it's a broader criticism of the writing team not evolving and becoming sophisticated enough for the audience of the time, or at least for my personal expectations.
Maybe when I initially played the game back around 2011 it wasn't quite as conspicuous to me as it is in retrospect today.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 1:36:36 GMT
@dustyelf DAO is medieval fantasy more or less, right? The writers create a character that fits a high school (contemporary) stereotype in that setting? It's not so much that I don't care for Alistair the character as it is that it doesn't fit in to me. But like I alluded to before, several of them in the game may be like this with him being the more obvious example. It's been a while since I played it. I suppose it's the design where I think they could have done a better job with Alistair and in general of portraying the characters more appropriately authentic to the setting, pulling it off more convincingly to the player trying to immerse oneself. So perhaps it's a broader criticism of the writing team not evolving and becoming sophisticated enough for the audience of the time, or at least for my personal expectations. Maybe when I initially played the game back around 2011 it wasn't quite as conspicuous to me as it is in retrospect today. I don't know. I think they were going for for the more insecure, snarky, awkward bastard kid not sure of his place in the world which could be in any setting. How would you have changed his character to fit a more medieval setting?
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Post by novatrex on Jan 20, 2019 1:54:08 GMT
@dustyelf DAO is medieval fantasy more or less, right? The writers create a character that fits a high school (contemporary) stereotype in that setting? It's not so much that I don't care for Alistair the character as it is that it doesn't fit in to me. But like I alluded to before, several of them in the game may be like this with him being the more obvious example. It's been a while since I played it. I suppose it's the design where I think they could have done a better job with Alistair and in general of portraying the characters more appropriately authentic to the setting, pulling it off more convincingly to the player trying to immerse oneself. So perhaps it's a broader criticism of the writing team not evolving and becoming sophisticated enough for the audience of the time, or at least for my personal expectations. Maybe when I initially played the game back around 2011 it wasn't quite as conspicuous to me as it is in retrospect today. I don't know. I think they were going for for the more insecure, snarky, awkward bastard kid not sure of his place in the world which could be in any setting. How would you have changed his character to fit a more medieval setting? I'd probably start by cutting back on the use of contemporary vernacular.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 21, 2019 22:24:29 GMT
Qwinn's Ultimate DAO Fixpack v3.4Supposed to fix lots of bugs and restore cut content. Think I'm going to install it. Might make me work up to playing DAO. I admit that lack of voiced PC dialogue is difficult for me. Of course, it's much less expensive than hiring multiple voice actors for the Warden.
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Post by novatrex on Jan 21, 2019 23:21:54 GMT
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 13, 2019 16:10:38 GMT
I admit to having a hard time playing DAO. I don't like the combat system and I really prefer voice acting. I do realize that lack of voice allows for more choices but it's just my preference. I guess it would make it easier to listen to music or watch TV while playing. I might have to take a stab at doing this again.
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