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Post by Faceman on Mar 13, 2019 13:35:45 GMT
Here's a place to argue about Loghain. Love him? Hate him? Did he do the right thing? The wrong thing? Was a genius? A madman? Should he have an action figure?
Discuss here!
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Post by Sundance on Mar 13, 2019 13:47:17 GMT
I vote for an action figure poll
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Post by decafhigh on Mar 13, 2019 14:01:18 GMT
I loved hating him. Was a very satisfying kill for my Warden.
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Post by Laughing Man on Mar 13, 2019 15:18:24 GMT
I'd say he's probably one of Bioware's best villains, specifically because he's not the one-dimensional mustache twirler some of the other ones were. He was a hero to his people, he tried to do what he thought was right, but he was blinded by his own arrogance.
That's all in retrospect of course, in-game I loved to hate him.
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Post by Faceman on Mar 13, 2019 15:31:43 GMT
I'd say he's probably one of Bioware's best villains, specifically because he's not the one-dimensional mustache twirler some of the other ones were. He was a hero to his people, he tried to do what he thought was right, but he was blinded by his own arrogance. That's all in retrospect of course, in-game I loved to hate him. Agreed, he's a good villain. DAO gets kudos for also giving us a wide variety of options with what to do with him.
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Post by aglomeracja on Mar 13, 2019 15:54:58 GMT
IIRC he was a complete asshole for 90% of the game just so they could make a plot twist around him in the end. Somewhat like Saren, but Saren had a better excuse as he was directly controlled by the Reapers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 16:15:39 GMT
Loghain is one of my favorite characters I the world. He fought for Ferelden and he sees his son-in-law foolishly allowing Empress Celene to play him and his fears of another Oralis invasion might be justified. Caiden won’t listen to his general and Duncan regarding his mess of a battle plan. His hunger for power and belief that only he knows what’s good for Ferelden blinds him and he sees nothing wrong in killing innocents, selling elves into slavery, using and lying to mages in the circle all to get his way.
In the end he betrays his king when he quit the battlefield. And my wardens usually execute him for that. I have played dwarfs and Dalish elves who saw his worth as general and spare him.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 13, 2019 16:16:06 GMT
Well-Intentioned ExtremistHe was a good man once. But his paranoia drove him to commit bigger and bigger atrocities for "the greater good"
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Mar 13, 2019 16:24:13 GMT
Killing him is my canon decision. The betrayal he pulled leaving the soldiers to die and commit regicide didn't inspire me with much confidence in him, while the selling of free elves into slavery pissed off my elven wardens.
I dont't care about how honorable he used to be, I only cared about the type of man he was presently. I don't feel like any justice has been served unless he's executed.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 13, 2019 16:26:19 GMT
Killing him is my canon descicion. The betrayal he pulled leaving the soldiers to die and commit regicide didn't give me much confidence in him, while the selling of free elves into slavery pissed off my elven wardens. I don't care about how honorable he used to be, I only cared about the type of man he was presently. I don't feel like any justice has been served unless he's executed. My usual choice is to recruit him. Execution is too easy. Let his death actually accomplish some good. Or, if he does survive, let the taint consume him.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Mar 13, 2019 16:44:40 GMT
Killing him is my canon descicion. The betrayal he pulled leaving the soldiers to die and commit regicide didn't give me much confidence in him, while the selling of free elves into slavery pissed off my elven wardens. I don't care about how honorable he used to be, I only cared about the type of man he was presently. I don't feel like any justice has been served unless he's executed. My usual choice is to recruit him. Execution is too easy. Let his death actually accomplish some good. Or, if he does survive, let the taint consume him. That's one way of looking at at it and I can also see the angle of using everyone to stop the blight. I suppose at the end of the game, I didn't feel like I would be capable of trusting him to not to back stab me in some way and saw him as too much of a risk.
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Post by novatrex on Mar 13, 2019 20:00:21 GMT
I think he was a good villain. He said that everything that he had done was for the good of Ferelden, that this was his motivation. It seemed to me that his self-interest was also a motivation, so I didn't quite buy that excuse. If it was just as he said, then he was misguided to say the least.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 11:57:48 GMT
Loghain the Warden in DAI- still a formidable warrior. The best cameo of a character BioWare has done.
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Post by GoldenGail3 on Apr 11, 2019 14:00:54 GMT
Meh I use to hardcore him because of Alistair.. but not as much anymore tho...
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Post by riddlezYR on Jun 17, 2020 20:21:47 GMT
Return to Ostagar DLC pretty much confirmed his fears about Orlais trying to bring Fereldan back under its thumb. In light of that, I can't really blame him for the retreat order. He was pretty out-of-his-depth as Regent though and failed categorically, for reasons not entirely his fault, but it's the leader's job to rally people around them at the end of the day and he failed. And, even if necessity forced his hand, he definitely deserved harsh punishment for the stuff he did.
I thought that he could be an asset to my team and that having him make things right with the Wardens was a pretty appropriate punishment. He could be argued to deserve death (I wouldn't have lost sleep over doing so), but in the end, I felt like the benefit to society of him fighting the blight outweighed that of taking his life.
Of course, this is a GAEM at the end of the day, so if Loghain was a boring/unlikable character to me I probably just would have offed him; moral considerations come second to my personal enjoyment. So really, it comes down to me just finding him interesting and not wanting his story to end yet. The fact that I get him with Hawke (my favorite BW OC) in DA:I is a very special added bonus.
As for Alistair, I was stuck in approval-purgatory with him (the ONLY guy on the team whose approval wasn't high) because I was friendly enough with the guy but he kept disapproving of most of my decisions, so I wasn't exactly broken up over angering/losing him.
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